So let me put it another way, he’s such an excellent spokesperson for Democratic talking points, and has such an excellent record of accomplishments while in a leadership position in government, an increase in his exposure opportunities could only be an asset for Democratic prospects in the future.
He is in the game. He is setting up his platform on just every platform that will have him. I will be SHOCKED if he does not run for President in 2028. WE, THE PEOPLE, have to get out the “good word” about him by sharing further what he is talking about. We are all in it together💪 It is OUR only way to create change. Let people know our options and WHY we should support them/him!
Absolutely! We need to lay the groundwork, and talking it up is a great part of that. Pete is such an amazing communicator that he always leaves me feeling good about his abilities to be effective in government, which is light years from how I feel about DT’s way of fucking up everything he touches (reverse Meidas touch). I’m with you 100% Shirl. DM me back if you need my help.
I listened to that conversation, and I thought it was probably the most important conversation that I've heard in any of the podcasts that I've been listening to lately. It speaks to the truth of where we are and who is not talking to the majority of people and why Who is not listening to the majority of people and why. The need cannot be understated. The potential cannot be understated. The opportunity cannot be understated. It reminds me of Robert Kennedy seniors meeting with Cesar Chavez that changed his heart and his life, and took him from a man of privilege to a man of heart and mind and fundamentally changed him. That is the kind of walk that someone who wants to lead this country needs to take starting now.! I was reminded of the song by Gregory Porter called "take me to the alley " when I listen to this conversation.
Thank you for mentioning Native Americans because we never ever hear anything about ourselves in the general conversation yet we play such a significant part in this country. We are this countries shame. We represent the genocide that happened here that no one talks about. If we do not talk about all that happened in this place, we will never have the opportunity to transform that into something that gives us strength and not continue pain and suffering. Indigenous people will play an even more important part in the future.
I don't know if I would call it the third reconstruction but I would spend some time thinking about what you would call that new construction of this country. So many need so much.
Ms Carr…the near total genocide of North America’s native population, your wisdom, culture and protection of Mother Earth, is the everlasting shame of mankind, repeated globally to this present day. I pray for your eventual triumph. Please continue to repeat the stories of your people, teach them to your young people, as well as your nations’ magnificent ceremonies, language and worship.
Please forgive my tardiness in responding to your message. I have had two surgeries recently so I have not been as attentive. Thank you so much for your words. They mean a tremendous amount and I pray that many many Americans feel the same way you do. We must go back to the beginnings of this country and own what happened here because it happened two people who lived here for tens of thousands of years. We lived here generations upon generations upon generations of families and humans lived here before any colonizer showed up. Just like every other human in the world we lived, we loved we had families and communities and economies and belief systems and cultures and traditions and a profound relationship with our environment. Those things have survived the genocide of indigenous people there were tens of millions of us between Canada, North America and South America. At the turn of the 20th century, there were 250,000 Native Americans left in the United States. that puts Hitler's 6 million to shame numbers wise. And it happened here. People who came here did that and did not only that but slaughtered our people from coast to coast shoved us in concentration, camps, called reservations, stole our children, and put them into boarding schools where they were beaten when they spoke to their language, or showed any kind of evidence of their own culture and countless children died. If you want to understand some of what happened watch the documentary "sugarcane".
The importance of all of this cumulatively was the effort to eradicate us from this land, but thankfully it failed. The damage to native communities is also profound to this day. We have been kept in abject poverty until casinos. But not all tribes have casinos and not all tribes have resources that is a myth as well. It does not absolve this country of its reckoning with its past Relation to indigenous people. As I said, in the past one cannot build a foundation and ironically, the founding fathers visited my peoples lands and came to the Iroquois confederacy where they saw a different version of democracy they saw separation of powers they saw a multifunction level of government within our confederacy That span the entirety of the Finger Lakes area and beyond east and west, but they saw that we recovered ourselves in a different way that was not a direct democracy, but much more of a representative republic, and they took our form of government and incorporated it into their own thinking about a new country. In constitution Hall in Pennsylvania while the founding fathers were discussing the constitution on the first floor, there were runners that went upstairs to the second floor, where there was a delegation of my people up there that advise them, so even the form of government that we have today was based on indigenous governance. That is never taught in schools in this country, but it is fact.
So the governance culture tradition, spiritual beliefs, and the deep relationship and interconnectedness of the lands and everything in those lands, including us because we did not differentiate ourselves from nature we were not dominion over nature because we were not dominionists. Dominionists came with Christianity, but that was not our and still is not our Way of understanding who we are where we are and how we are.
When you build a foundation of a house, you want it to be properly done you want it to be measured twice and cut once you want it to be solid and reliable and strong and all pieces of that foundation working together to keep that house safe intact and endure any kind of weather. The same should be for this country, but it is not . This country was founded on genocide immediately followed by slavery. Those two profound crimes make an impossible to have a solid foundation. Ethically materially spiritually the foundation of this country is a cesspool of pain and corruption and crimes against humanity. So the myth of the shining city on the hill, American exceptionalism all of the things that we have been proud of are actually a lie. They are temporary when they could be permanent. They are illusion instead of being a reality. and we are seeing that foundation rotten to its core crumbling in front of our eyes at this time. The reason being we have never owned up to the past of this country, not really yes we fought a Civil War, but it wasn't necessarily against slavery. It was against northern industrialism and southern agrarianism which included slavery, but again the genocide of natives was never even mentioned. In fact, Lincoln spent some of his time being a "Indian killer". A bounty hunter killing Indians for pay. He also is responsible for the largest communal hanging of human beings, the Dakota 39 which were 39 Indians charged falsely for crimes and Hong collectively. So you know there's a lot in this country's history that people do not know and people do not learn And people do not see. And because of that, how can anyone form a more perfect union without the full information of who we were and why we might not want to be those people anymore and why we might want to seek reconciliation with all of that so someway somehow we can put it to peace for all of us, especially indigenous people here, but really for all of us in the 21st-century and beyond. That is my hope because I really do not want to see this country collapse. I have spent the last 30 years of my life working in tribal affairs, trying to bring representation truth and justice in every way that I possibly can and I have done a lot, but it is not enough. Collectively natives have worked together to do the same in every area that we possibly can and have worked towards those ends. It is also important to understand that we have treaties first with England and then with the United States. Treaties are the highest law of the land and they should be honored and fulfilled because we have fulfilled our end of the deal by seating lands. The US government has broken every single treaty ever made with tribes. That is not an honorable thing and a Rhodes the ethical moral standards of the United States. So there's a lot of very practical reasons why it is important to go back and look at the very beginning of this country and roll out from there and let the sunshine into the dark places, let indigenous people feel heard seen and respected in ways that has never happened before let others African-Americans who have certainly organized and been much more visible, but let that history roll out and see the light of day as well and let there be reconciliation. Let it be known the building of the railroads killed more Chinese people than any other state in this country that they literally were slaves and thrown in beside the train tracks and left there when they were worked to death.
The man in our camps for Japanese Americans were based upon reservation program that had been created for us, and now alligator Alcatraz and other immigration centers. Detention centers are the newest metastasizing version of concentration camps that were originally for natives. So history has a way of echoing injustice and cruelty . I believe that this country is better than that at least I believe in the potential for it being better than that or I wouldn't bother saying what I'm saying now and I would not have wasted 30 years of my life in the service of my people and this country to try to make it a better place. So I know this is long and I greatly appreciate your interest and I hope this is very helpful for you to remember and tell other people. I am planning on creating a podcast where I will be talking about these things and others will be talking about these things and its importance in combating the growing fascism in America. N'ya W'eh ( thank you in my native Cayuga language).
My sincere hope for a good recovery from your surgeries, Ms. Carr…and thank you for your very detailed and instructive essay of the history of the indigenous peoples in North America. I hope you will feel drawn to create a podcast and spread your wide (and wise) knowledge of your nation’s past and present history. I would gladly be a student of your teaching! Good health to you, and I will watch for your posts, should you be so moved.
Thank you so much for answering me. Your words mean a tremendous amount to me. I am in the process of creating a podcast and I will be doing as you illustrated. I will be talking about native people this country history of natives, the history of this country All that unfolded from the time of contact to Now and all that that entails and folding in advocacy, politics, empowerment, sovereignty, justice, freedom all that really good stuff..
I have small children in my family, whom I love dearly. They listen to the rough speech of Trump & his minions, and I must tell them that this is not respectful behavior.
Dr Barber is great NC Spiritual Leader. I had the pleasure of introducing him at an Asheville event a few years ago. When he speaks truth to power, power listens.
The Republican/T bill (I no longer use his name) is heartbreaking for those not in the upper 3rd of wealth. The ultra wealthy are cheering because they will increase their wealth. I mean how much does one need? Our country needs to get back to representing every individual citizen and helping those who cannot earn enough to have a safe, healthy life. It’s simple. Do you care for mankind? Or do you deep down only care about yourself?
As I'm listening to Reverend Barber speak about getting economically disenfranchised people to vote, I think we can't afford naivete about how difficult it is for some people to vote. In my lower-income precinct, I encountered the following realities of economically disenfranchised people: 1) They are working two or more jobs and if they get 15 minutes to breathe, it's a hard sell to get them to use that 15 minutes to vote. And they really, really do not have a couple of hours to familiarize themselves with issues and candidates. 2) Some people have disabilities and need help to get their ballot turned in. Many states, including mine, have made it a lot more difficult for people to help other people get their votes delivered. 3) In homes where English is not primarily spoken, the ballot instructions themselves are a barrier. I visited homes where voters couldn't get their mail ballot open properly because they could not read the directions. 4) Single moms. They can't stand in line with little people, especially in inclement weather conditions. 5) Transportation to the polling place. This is a barrier for a lot of people. 6) Mail ballots are no longer available to people who forget to call the Supervisor of Elections on a regular basis to renew their request for mail ballots. I have seen all of these things, in my own precinct, going door to door. I was able to get well over 80 percent turnout, but it was an incredible amount of work. I'm too ill to do it again, and that's the other issue, that we need younger, healthier people to pick up the torch and do the physically demanding work of persuading others to vote. Republicans, in general, are more economically comfortable than Democrats. Often, it's a lot easier for them to vote.
Sara Ann, you've done your homework in outlining all the ROADBLOCKS republicans have put up to disenfranchise or discourage voting. I am for a NATIONAL HOLIDAY FOR VOTING wherein there are no workplaces allowed to restrict any employee from voting. We are so behind the times. And, the news media would not be allowed to project any election until ALL the ballots have been counted and certified. It might take days but then we'd know with more certainty that the election had been fair for all citizens, of every color, religion, physical ability, etc.
Engage Dolly Parton, a stealth, independent, organizer and leader especially among the poor in her region but also around the country. Between her self funded literacy programs and her enormous personal donation that essentially created the most effective Covid vaccine at the peak of the pandemic she powerfully advocates for decency and humanity. She is consciously non partisan as to reach and serve the largest number of people in need.
Her service is not only exemplary but incredibly effective.
What a great conversation, talking about what should be of utmost concern for all of us, and what we should focus on and how we can come together in meaningful and powerful ways to address these issues. Thank you, Pete Buttigieg, and thank you, Reverend Barber.
Thank you for a conversation full of goodness. Pete, you tell the truth snd interview substantial people who tell the truth. Peter, you must run for President.
You gotta get back in the game Pete, please!
He is in the game...he and Reverend Barber are trying to get the rest of us to stand up and demand that this madness stop.
One person can't stop this...millions of us could.
So let me put it another way, he’s such an excellent spokesperson for Democratic talking points, and has such an excellent record of accomplishments while in a leadership position in government, an increase in his exposure opportunities could only be an asset for Democratic prospects in the future.
He is in the game. He is setting up his platform on just every platform that will have him. I will be SHOCKED if he does not run for President in 2028. WE, THE PEOPLE, have to get out the “good word” about him by sharing further what he is talking about. We are all in it together💪 It is OUR only way to create change. Let people know our options and WHY we should support them/him!
Absolutely! We need to lay the groundwork, and talking it up is a great part of that. Pete is such an amazing communicator that he always leaves me feeling good about his abilities to be effective in government, which is light years from how I feel about DT’s way of fucking up everything he touches (reverse Meidas touch). I’m with you 100% Shirl. DM me back if you need my help.
Agree! Shared his Substack to my FB feed 😍
I don’t do Facebook anymore so thanks for doing that!
Thanks Pete- we love you and need your leadership!!!!
I listened to that conversation, and I thought it was probably the most important conversation that I've heard in any of the podcasts that I've been listening to lately. It speaks to the truth of where we are and who is not talking to the majority of people and why Who is not listening to the majority of people and why. The need cannot be understated. The potential cannot be understated. The opportunity cannot be understated. It reminds me of Robert Kennedy seniors meeting with Cesar Chavez that changed his heart and his life, and took him from a man of privilege to a man of heart and mind and fundamentally changed him. That is the kind of walk that someone who wants to lead this country needs to take starting now.! I was reminded of the song by Gregory Porter called "take me to the alley " when I listen to this conversation.
Thank you for mentioning Native Americans because we never ever hear anything about ourselves in the general conversation yet we play such a significant part in this country. We are this countries shame. We represent the genocide that happened here that no one talks about. If we do not talk about all that happened in this place, we will never have the opportunity to transform that into something that gives us strength and not continue pain and suffering. Indigenous people will play an even more important part in the future.
I don't know if I would call it the third reconstruction but I would spend some time thinking about what you would call that new construction of this country. So many need so much.
Ms Carr…the near total genocide of North America’s native population, your wisdom, culture and protection of Mother Earth, is the everlasting shame of mankind, repeated globally to this present day. I pray for your eventual triumph. Please continue to repeat the stories of your people, teach them to your young people, as well as your nations’ magnificent ceremonies, language and worship.
Dear Susan,
Please forgive my tardiness in responding to your message. I have had two surgeries recently so I have not been as attentive. Thank you so much for your words. They mean a tremendous amount and I pray that many many Americans feel the same way you do. We must go back to the beginnings of this country and own what happened here because it happened two people who lived here for tens of thousands of years. We lived here generations upon generations upon generations of families and humans lived here before any colonizer showed up. Just like every other human in the world we lived, we loved we had families and communities and economies and belief systems and cultures and traditions and a profound relationship with our environment. Those things have survived the genocide of indigenous people there were tens of millions of us between Canada, North America and South America. At the turn of the 20th century, there were 250,000 Native Americans left in the United States. that puts Hitler's 6 million to shame numbers wise. And it happened here. People who came here did that and did not only that but slaughtered our people from coast to coast shoved us in concentration, camps, called reservations, stole our children, and put them into boarding schools where they were beaten when they spoke to their language, or showed any kind of evidence of their own culture and countless children died. If you want to understand some of what happened watch the documentary "sugarcane".
The importance of all of this cumulatively was the effort to eradicate us from this land, but thankfully it failed. The damage to native communities is also profound to this day. We have been kept in abject poverty until casinos. But not all tribes have casinos and not all tribes have resources that is a myth as well. It does not absolve this country of its reckoning with its past Relation to indigenous people. As I said, in the past one cannot build a foundation and ironically, the founding fathers visited my peoples lands and came to the Iroquois confederacy where they saw a different version of democracy they saw separation of powers they saw a multifunction level of government within our confederacy That span the entirety of the Finger Lakes area and beyond east and west, but they saw that we recovered ourselves in a different way that was not a direct democracy, but much more of a representative republic, and they took our form of government and incorporated it into their own thinking about a new country. In constitution Hall in Pennsylvania while the founding fathers were discussing the constitution on the first floor, there were runners that went upstairs to the second floor, where there was a delegation of my people up there that advise them, so even the form of government that we have today was based on indigenous governance. That is never taught in schools in this country, but it is fact.
So the governance culture tradition, spiritual beliefs, and the deep relationship and interconnectedness of the lands and everything in those lands, including us because we did not differentiate ourselves from nature we were not dominion over nature because we were not dominionists. Dominionists came with Christianity, but that was not our and still is not our Way of understanding who we are where we are and how we are.
When you build a foundation of a house, you want it to be properly done you want it to be measured twice and cut once you want it to be solid and reliable and strong and all pieces of that foundation working together to keep that house safe intact and endure any kind of weather. The same should be for this country, but it is not . This country was founded on genocide immediately followed by slavery. Those two profound crimes make an impossible to have a solid foundation. Ethically materially spiritually the foundation of this country is a cesspool of pain and corruption and crimes against humanity. So the myth of the shining city on the hill, American exceptionalism all of the things that we have been proud of are actually a lie. They are temporary when they could be permanent. They are illusion instead of being a reality. and we are seeing that foundation rotten to its core crumbling in front of our eyes at this time. The reason being we have never owned up to the past of this country, not really yes we fought a Civil War, but it wasn't necessarily against slavery. It was against northern industrialism and southern agrarianism which included slavery, but again the genocide of natives was never even mentioned. In fact, Lincoln spent some of his time being a "Indian killer". A bounty hunter killing Indians for pay. He also is responsible for the largest communal hanging of human beings, the Dakota 39 which were 39 Indians charged falsely for crimes and Hong collectively. So you know there's a lot in this country's history that people do not know and people do not learn And people do not see. And because of that, how can anyone form a more perfect union without the full information of who we were and why we might not want to be those people anymore and why we might want to seek reconciliation with all of that so someway somehow we can put it to peace for all of us, especially indigenous people here, but really for all of us in the 21st-century and beyond. That is my hope because I really do not want to see this country collapse. I have spent the last 30 years of my life working in tribal affairs, trying to bring representation truth and justice in every way that I possibly can and I have done a lot, but it is not enough. Collectively natives have worked together to do the same in every area that we possibly can and have worked towards those ends. It is also important to understand that we have treaties first with England and then with the United States. Treaties are the highest law of the land and they should be honored and fulfilled because we have fulfilled our end of the deal by seating lands. The US government has broken every single treaty ever made with tribes. That is not an honorable thing and a Rhodes the ethical moral standards of the United States. So there's a lot of very practical reasons why it is important to go back and look at the very beginning of this country and roll out from there and let the sunshine into the dark places, let indigenous people feel heard seen and respected in ways that has never happened before let others African-Americans who have certainly organized and been much more visible, but let that history roll out and see the light of day as well and let there be reconciliation. Let it be known the building of the railroads killed more Chinese people than any other state in this country that they literally were slaves and thrown in beside the train tracks and left there when they were worked to death.
The man in our camps for Japanese Americans were based upon reservation program that had been created for us, and now alligator Alcatraz and other immigration centers. Detention centers are the newest metastasizing version of concentration camps that were originally for natives. So history has a way of echoing injustice and cruelty . I believe that this country is better than that at least I believe in the potential for it being better than that or I wouldn't bother saying what I'm saying now and I would not have wasted 30 years of my life in the service of my people and this country to try to make it a better place. So I know this is long and I greatly appreciate your interest and I hope this is very helpful for you to remember and tell other people. I am planning on creating a podcast where I will be talking about these things and others will be talking about these things and its importance in combating the growing fascism in America. N'ya W'eh ( thank you in my native Cayuga language).
Thank you for your wise comments.
Thank you very much , Lindy. Please see my response to Susan Miller.
My sincere hope for a good recovery from your surgeries, Ms. Carr…and thank you for your very detailed and instructive essay of the history of the indigenous peoples in North America. I hope you will feel drawn to create a podcast and spread your wide (and wise) knowledge of your nation’s past and present history. I would gladly be a student of your teaching! Good health to you, and I will watch for your posts, should you be so moved.
Susan Miller
Thank you so much for answering me. Your words mean a tremendous amount to me. I am in the process of creating a podcast and I will be doing as you illustrated. I will be talking about native people this country history of natives, the history of this country All that unfolded from the time of contact to Now and all that that entails and folding in advocacy, politics, empowerment, sovereignty, justice, freedom all that really good stuff..
Thank you so much again !
Gwen
Good luck to you…I’ll watch for it.
Hello!
Thank you for your time today.
I have small children in my family, whom I love dearly. They listen to the rough speech of Trump & his minions, and I must tell them that this is not respectful behavior.
I want Pete to be our next President 👍🏻😎👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Dr Barber is great NC Spiritual Leader. I had the pleasure of introducing him at an Asheville event a few years ago. When he speaks truth to power, power listens.
I'd love to see him back in Asheville!
I live northern NJ now. Great to be in a blue state.
A wonderful conversation among three different types of leaders, united in their desire to make America MORAL again.
The Republican/T bill (I no longer use his name) is heartbreaking for those not in the upper 3rd of wealth. The ultra wealthy are cheering because they will increase their wealth. I mean how much does one need? Our country needs to get back to representing every individual citizen and helping those who cannot earn enough to have a safe, healthy life. It’s simple. Do you care for mankind? Or do you deep down only care about yourself?
Dr Barber and Pete thank you for your commitment to make this world our country better for everyone!!! Power to the people.
Pete for President! Revered Barber, Secretary of moral code!
Pete…I’m with you … whatever you decide to do!
As I'm listening to Reverend Barber speak about getting economically disenfranchised people to vote, I think we can't afford naivete about how difficult it is for some people to vote. In my lower-income precinct, I encountered the following realities of economically disenfranchised people: 1) They are working two or more jobs and if they get 15 minutes to breathe, it's a hard sell to get them to use that 15 minutes to vote. And they really, really do not have a couple of hours to familiarize themselves with issues and candidates. 2) Some people have disabilities and need help to get their ballot turned in. Many states, including mine, have made it a lot more difficult for people to help other people get their votes delivered. 3) In homes where English is not primarily spoken, the ballot instructions themselves are a barrier. I visited homes where voters couldn't get their mail ballot open properly because they could not read the directions. 4) Single moms. They can't stand in line with little people, especially in inclement weather conditions. 5) Transportation to the polling place. This is a barrier for a lot of people. 6) Mail ballots are no longer available to people who forget to call the Supervisor of Elections on a regular basis to renew their request for mail ballots. I have seen all of these things, in my own precinct, going door to door. I was able to get well over 80 percent turnout, but it was an incredible amount of work. I'm too ill to do it again, and that's the other issue, that we need younger, healthier people to pick up the torch and do the physically demanding work of persuading others to vote. Republicans, in general, are more economically comfortable than Democrats. Often, it's a lot easier for them to vote.
Sara Ann, you've done your homework in outlining all the ROADBLOCKS republicans have put up to disenfranchise or discourage voting. I am for a NATIONAL HOLIDAY FOR VOTING wherein there are no workplaces allowed to restrict any employee from voting. We are so behind the times. And, the news media would not be allowed to project any election until ALL the ballots have been counted and certified. It might take days but then we'd know with more certainty that the election had been fair for all citizens, of every color, religion, physical ability, etc.
All the more reason why mail-in ballots are so important. I used them in CO for decades. Likewise NC. We must make it easier for folks to vote.
Engage Dolly Parton, a stealth, independent, organizer and leader especially among the poor in her region but also around the country. Between her self funded literacy programs and her enormous personal donation that essentially created the most effective Covid vaccine at the peak of the pandemic she powerfully advocates for decency and humanity. She is consciously non partisan as to reach and serve the largest number of people in need.
Her service is not only exemplary but incredibly effective.
Reverend Barber, you said it so well! God bless you!
What a great conversation, talking about what should be of utmost concern for all of us, and what we should focus on and how we can come together in meaningful and powerful ways to address these issues. Thank you, Pete Buttigieg, and thank you, Reverend Barber.
Listened live. Thank you for a conversation full of goodness.
Thank you for a conversation full of goodness. Pete, you tell the truth snd interview substantial people who tell the truth. Peter, you must run for President.