Why I Sat Down for a Two-Hour Podcast That Recently Hosted Trump

Going everywhere means seeking out audiences that may have never heard our message at all.

This moment demands more than just good ideas - it demands that those of us who oppose the chaos and cruelty coming from Washington are showing up consistently in spaces where not everyone shares our views, or has even heard them directly from us at all.

That’s why I sat down for a two-and-a-half-hour conversation on the podcast Flagrant - a show that hosted Donald Trump during the presidential campaign last year.

The episode was released today, and I’d encourage you to check it out on YouTube or wherever you stream podcasts.

I know that a podcast with an almost all-male viewership, which prides itself on rejecting political correctness and is skeptical of all things “woke,” represents an audience that might not be inclined to give my party the benefit of the doubt.

That’s the point.

I’m under no illusions that every Flagrant viewer will see me once and suddenly agree with me politically - or even share my White Lotus hot takes - but I know how important it is to launch a different kind of conversation there.

The hosts told me they had tried but struggled to get progressive voices to come on, so I took the chance to bring in a different style and perspective than their audience is used to.

I showed up and made the case for my values and for what I believe people across the spectrum should unite around, especially in this moment: that our republic should never let one man, or a handful of men, have too much power.

Of course, not everyone can or needs to go on a podcast to have these kinds of conversations. What is perhaps even more important is talking to family members, neighbors, or coworkers about what we believe, especially those who may not vote the same way.

It won’t always be easy, but I’m convinced that over time, these conversations, in-person and with people you know, can make a real impact in building the kind of future we want to see.

One thing that is clear from the last election is that my side of the aisle must examine not only what we have to say, but how and where we say it.

That’s why you can count on me to keep showing up - anywhere there’s a chance to have a real conversation with anyone willing to engage.

So if you’ve got ideas on other podcasts or new forms of media where you think I should make an appearance, please drop them down below in the comments.